Saturday, March 29, 2008
Lichen (78 = 80)
This pair of edits to the wikipedia article on Lichen probably shows another example of shifting Rogers IPs:The two edits were made within the same minute. The earlier edit (the second one listed here) was simple vandalism -- "Mark likes lichen" -- and the second edit deleted it, apparently after changing his mind.
Nisha on Tamil music (78 = 73 = 79 = 72 = 75)
We have been tracking a group of Rogers' IPs to see how they could shift in the years 2003-5. One of the most useful sources of data have been message boards that post both a handle and an IP for each post. Combining name, IP, and time has shown several interesting shifts.
Another case in point are the posts of a certain "Nisha" on a board concerning Tamil music (here). Googling "Nisha" on this site gives 80 or 90 posts on a variety of subjects from July 2002 until December 2004. Almost all of these posts report her IP as 66.185.84.78 -- a Rogers IP that is part of the pool that we've been tracking. At several points, however, Rogers seems to have shunted her off to another IP. The first is in the summer of 2003:
- Jul 18 2003 18:46:51 66.185.84.78
Jul 31 2003 21:29:40 66.185.84.73
Aug 5 2003 00:32:37 66.185.84.78
- Feb 5 2004 21:25:49 66.185.84.78
Feb 6 2004 20:26:01 66.185.84.78
Feb 6 2004 20:32:23 66.185.84.79
Feb 11 2004 19:15:47 66.185.84.78
- Nov 11 2004 17:01:35 66.185.84.68
Nov 12 2004 18:33:37 66.185.84.68
Dec 1 2004 15:23:25 66.185.84.72
Dec 22 2004 12:31:48 66.185.84.75
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Magic Adventures of Mumfie (208 = 206 = 79 =81)
Below is a screen-capture of the first dozen edits to the Magic Adventures of Mumfie (a children's show created by creator of Thomas the Tank Engine). In it we see the same pattern that we have seen elsewhere with Roger's IPs -- especially well illustrated with the Thomas the Tank Engine articles (see here, here, here, and here) -- that they can shift around.

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plagiarizing the First Canadian Army (80 = 78)
One of wikipedia's on-going problems is copy-right violation -- well-meaning editors often copy and paste whole articles from elsewhere, thereby undermining the quality of the encyclopedia and, at least theoretically, exposing it to legal action. Wikipedia's policy on this can be seen here, and as you can see there (and here), copy-right violations are immediately deleted.
A Roger's editor breeched that policy in January 2004, copy-and-pasting eight paragraphs from Legion Magazine, as was pointed out when the page was deleted in November of that year.
A Roger's editor breeched that policy in January 2004, copy-and-pasting eight paragraphs from Legion Magazine, as was pointed out when the page was deleted in November of that year.
In the meantime, there had been these 17 edits to the page (which wikipedia administrators can see here):
- 20:02, 29 November 2004 . . Indefatigable (Talk | contribs | block) (Copyright violation)
- 18:08, 19 November 2004 . . GJeffery (Talk | contribs | block) (fixed link)
- 15:49, 4 September 2004 . . Bryan Derksen (Talk | contribs | block) (Category:World War II military units)
- 03:53, 22 August 2004 . . 69.196.224.243 (Talk | block)
- 01:53, 21 August 2004 . . 69.196.224.243 (Talk | block)
- 20:55, 19 August 2004 . . Indefatigable (Talk | contribs | block) (Category:Canadian military formations)
- 13:00, 2 June 2004 . . Topbanana (Talk | contribs | block) (Fix some broken links)
- 00:58, 27 May 2004 . . Adam Bishop (Talk | contribs | block) (fixing links)
- 05:15, 5 March 2004 . . Anthony (Talk | contribs | block)
- 23:04, 11 February 2004 . . David Newton (Talk | contribs | block)
- 02:59, 28 January 2004 . . Gsl (Talk | contribs | block) (copyedit, links)
- 01:36, 15 January 2004 . . 66.185.84.78 (Talk | block)
- 01:08, 15 January 2004 . . 66.185.84.78 (Talk | block)
- 00:59, 15 January 2004 . . 66.185.84.78 (Talk | block)
- 23:23, 14 January 2004 . . 66.185.84.78 (Talk | block)
- 23:19, 14 January 2004 . . 66.185.84.78 (Talk | block)
- 21:55, 14 January 2004 . . 66.185.84.80 (Talk | block)
The bottom half-dozen edits are interesting. The article was created at 21:55 with a rule-breaking copy-and-paste (as I mentioned) by x.x.x.80. Then, over the next few hours, the editor returns as x.x.x.78 and fixes some formatting issues that first cut-and-paste had created.
Clearly x.x.x.80 and x.x.x.78 are the same editor, whose IP was changed by Rogers in mid-stream: the article is less than two hours old when x.x.x.78 returns, and he clearly is picking up where he had left off as x.x.x.80.
Again, the fluidity of Rogers IPs is seen.
Addendum. The same relation between IPs is probably demontrated by this edit in Nov. '03, where x.x.x.78 clears the messages off the talk-page of x.x.x.80. When one goes to edit a wikipedia page, you receive a notice of new messages on your talk page. Here it seems the wikimedia software detected this user's IP as x.x.x.80, but by the time he edited his talk-page, his IP had shifted to x.x.x.78.
Friday, March 28, 2008
fourmilab (202 = 74?)
This one I don't understand at all. Fourmilab, founded by John Walker of AutoCAD fame, is an eclectic download site for a wide variety of computer utilities, articles on mathematics, nanotechnology, etc.

This log suggests that two of the IPs that we've been tracking had hit this site 100,000 times over three months. Also present is 66.185.85.74 (not one of the IPs that we've been tracking).
Also puzzling is the fact that these three Rogers IPs, which began their visits to the site within a day or so of one another, and all begin with wc07. I think that we have to assume that they are somehow related, and that this reflects the kind of shifting back and forth that we've noticed elsewhere, but over a longer timescale for a massive amount of traffic.
You can see its access logs for January 2004, here, which is presented in descending order of the amount of traffic that was coming from an IP. Here is a screen-cap of the top four 'heavy hitters':
This log suggests that two of the IPs that we've been tracking had hit this site 100,000 times over three months. Also present is 66.185.85.74 (not one of the IPs that we've been tracking).
Also puzzling is the fact that these three Rogers IPs, which began their visits to the site within a day or so of one another, and all begin with wc07. I think that we have to assume that they are somehow related, and that this reflects the kind of shifting back and forth that we've noticed elsewhere, but over a longer timescale for a massive amount of traffic.
Gato at Guanacos (77 = 205)
Another message board that publishes the IPs of its contributers is GuanacosEnLinea.com from El Salvador. In the fall of 2004, a certain "gato" posted several messages, logging these IPs:
- 9/28/2004 3:26:57 PM -- 66.185.84.77
- 10/8/2004 6:39:10 PM -- 66.185.84.77
- 10/10/2004 7:24:11 AM -- 66.185.84.205
The shift from x.x.x.77 to x.x.x.205 is typical of what we've seen of Rogers IPs in this period.
Pete C at e-filler.ca (77 = 209)
Another message board that shows both a poster's chosen handle and the underlying IP is E-Filler.ca, where users post comments on recent events.
The comments of a certain "Pete C" in late 2004 and early 2005 perhaps connect 77 and 209.
At this thread on Nov. 18, 2004 he posted from 66.185.84.209.
In a comment of Jan. 5, 2005, however, his IP was 66.185.84.77, which it was on Jan. 14 and Jan. 16, too.
The comments of a certain "Pete C" in late 2004 and early 2005 perhaps connect 77 and 209.
At this thread on Nov. 18, 2004 he posted from 66.185.84.209.
In a comment of Jan. 5, 2005, however, his IP was 66.185.84.77, which it was on Jan. 14 and Jan. 16, too.
Robbie McBride at RPM Factor (76 = 77)
Message boards that post both names and handles of visitors have provided interesting examples of the fluidity of Rogers' IPs in the 66.185.84.xxx-range.
Another example of this is the postings of a certain "Robbie McBride" on a message board called RPM Factor Babbler. Most of his postings from mid-2004 come from 66.185.84.76 and 66.185.84.77. Especially noteworthy are these:
Another example of this is the postings of a certain "Robbie McBride" on a message board called RPM Factor Babbler. Most of his postings from mid-2004 come from 66.185.84.76 and 66.185.84.77. Especially noteworthy are these:
- 66.185.84.77 June 23 2004 at 5:48 PM
- 66.185.84.76 June 23 2004 at 5:58 PM
Jiya on Kkusum (70 = 77)
At a message board on the Indian telvision show Kkusum we have entries from a certain Jiya:
- Sunday, September 19, 02:14:06am -- 66.185.84.70
- Sunday, September 19, 02:14:43am -- 66.185.84.77
Thursday, March 27, 2008
66.185.84.204 arranges for March break, 2004
On Nov. 12, 2003, an inquiry was sent to www.florida-discount-travel.com about the Sheraton Lucaya. The request was for March 11 - 13th of the following year:
The log records the inquirer's name ("Marg *****"), email ("marg*****@rogers.com"), and phone number "905 ***-****". (I redact these out of respect for the privacy of the individual; if you go to the site, you can see it for yourself.)
The email address and phone number (which is a land line in Aurora, Ontario, according to www.411.ca) can be confirmed.
Googling the email shows that this woman is the president of an association of time-share owners in Maine; the email and phone number are the same as in the florida-discount-travel log. See the graphic on the right (again, out of respect for this person's privacy I obliterate the names and phone numbers -- but a quick google can confirm the details for any doubting Thomas.
The date, Nov. 12, 2003, is highly significant, for according to the testimony of Bernard Klatt, the same IP was used by Richard Warman to access the White Supremacist site, freedomsite.org, on November 11th (the day before Marg did), but before the 15th and 23rd.
- We have two parties. One party has 2 adults and 2 children under 12. the other party has 1 adults 1 child
The log records the inquirer's name ("Marg *****"), email ("marg*****@rogers.com"), and phone number "905 ***-****". (I redact these out of respect for the privacy of the individual; if you go to the site, you can see it for yourself.)
The email address and phone number (which is a land line in Aurora, Ontario, according to www.411.ca) can be confirmed.
Googling the email shows that this woman is the president of an association of time-share owners in Maine; the email and phone number are the same as in the florida-discount-travel log. See the graphic on the right (again, out of respect for this person's privacy I obliterate the names and phone numbers -- but a quick google can confirm the details for any doubting Thomas.The date, Nov. 12, 2003, is highly significant, for according to the testimony of Bernard Klatt, the same IP was used by Richard Warman to access the White Supremacist site, freedomsite.org, on November 11th (the day before Marg did), but before the 15th and 23rd.
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
waterloo student on treasurer traders (203 = 208 = 79)
Another interesting example of the impermanence of Rogers IPs is found in the posts of "fairplayer" at factnet.org, a discussion board dedicated to exposing various kinds of chicanery. Fairplayer was involved in some threads concerning Treasure Traders International, which is apparently a mail-order gemstone company.
Here are a list of his posts to that board in the last two months of 2004:
| November 04, 2004- 12:41 am: | 66.185.84.203 |
| November 05, 2004 - 12:48 am: | 66.185.84.203 |
| November 29, 2004 - 10:08 am: | 129.97.83.155* |
| November 29, 2004 - 12:04 pm: | 66.185.84.208 |
| December 03, 2004 - 11:59 am: | 129.97.22.32* |
| December 07, 2004 - 11:38 pm: | 66.185.84.79 |
| December 10, 2004- 8:29 pm: | 129.97.83.240* |
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At Zodiackiller.com (208 = 203)
A handful of edits by a certain "Mike J. Doe" to a discussion board dedicated to the Zodiac Killer at www.zodiackiller.com again illustrate the fluidity of Rogers' IPs:
- Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 11:26 am: 66.185.84.208
- Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 01:09 pm: 66.185.84.208
- Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 11:25 pm: 66.185.84.208
- Friday, July 04, 2003 - 11:47 am: 66.185.84.203
- Friday, July 04, 2003 - 11:37 pm: 66.185.84.208
University of California dreaming (or 68=71=72=74=76=77=78=81=197=198=199=200=204)?
It will surprise no one that a site like that of Earth Sciences at the University of California at Irvine attracts a lot of traffic -- almost 70,000 different IPs visited there in the fall of 2003, and these are recorded in the logs linked to below. Among them are some of the Rogers IPs that we have been tracking in other posts: that is, those with the numbers 66.185.84.xxx (see the summary thread, here).
Extracting these IPs from the log of September 2003 yields the following list:
| hits | files | kbytes | visits | IP |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 3 | 3 | 155 | 1 | 66.185.84.68 |
| 73 | 70 | 1972 | 7 | 66.185.84.71 |
| 44 | 44 | 584 | 4 | 66.185.84.72 |
| 4 | 4 | 206 | 2 | 66.185.84.76 |
| 1 | 1 | 24 | 0 | 66.185.84.196 |
| 2 | 2 | 59 | 0 | 66.185.84.198 |
| 86 | 80 | 1558 | 5 | 66.185.84.199 |
| 43 | 43 | 841 | 5 | 66.185.84.200 |
| 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 66.185.84.201 |
| 1 | 1 | 54 | 1 | 66.185.84.204 |
| 26 | 26 | 635 | 2 | 66.185.84.209 |
The logs for October 2003 provide a similar group of IPs:
| hits | files | kbytes | visits | IP |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 1 | 54 | 1 | 66.185.84.68 |
| 194 | 165 | 4526 | 17 | 66.185.84.71 |
| 73 | 72 | 1773 | 6 | 66.185.84.72 |
| 1 | 1 | 24 | 0 | 66.185.84.74 |
| 19 | 19 | 3432 | 2 | 66.185.84.76 |
| 1 | 1 | 12 | 1 | 66.185.84.77 |
| 1 | 1 | 24 | 0 | 66.185.84.78 |
| 22 | 13 | 156 | 3 | 66.185.84.81 |
| 12 | 12 | 120 | 2 | 66.185.84.197 |
| 2 | 2 | 107 | 1 | 66.185.84.198 |
| 168 | 152 | 2265 | 12 | 66.185.84.199 |
| 48 | 48 | 709 | 7 | 66.185.84.200 |
| 6 | 6 | 80 | 1 | 66.185.84.204 |
| hits | files | kbytes | visits | IP |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 9 | 9 | 328 | 1 | 66.185.84.68 |
| 2 | 2 | 180 | 1 | 66.185.84.69 |
| 7 | 4 | 29 | 1 | 66.185.84.70 |
| 193 | 167 | 3344 | 16 | 66.185.84.71 |
| 69 | 68 | 1657 | 8 | 66.185.84.72 |
| 14 | 6 | 130 | 5 | 66.185.84.76 |
| 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 66.185.84.77 |
| 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 66.185.84.78 |
| 1 | 1 | 44 | 0 | 66.185.84.79 |
| 11 | 11 | 290 | 0 | 66.185.84.80 |
| 25 | 23 | 642 | 2 | 66.185.84.81 |
| 247 | 230 | 4095 | 11 | 66.185.84.199 |
| 22 | 22 | 441 | 3 | 66.185.84.200 |
| 1 | 1 | 80 | 0 | 66.185.84.201 |
| 1 | 1 | 80 | 0 | 66.185.84.202 |
| 24 | 23 | 147 | 4 | 66.185.84.204 |
| 1 | 1 | 24 | 0 | 66.185.84.208 |
| 5 | 5 | 558 | 1 | 66.185.84.209 |
And December, 2003:
In all, there are twenty-two IPs listed in these months. How many users is this? Less than 22, presumably -- especially given the number of singletons in the "hits" and zeros in "visits".| hits | files | kbytes | visits | IP |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 73 | 69 | 645 | 5 | 66.185.84.71 |
| 12 | 12 | 228 | 0 | 66.185.84.72 |
| 4 | 4 | 198 | 2 | 66.185.84.76 |
| 1 | 1 | 24 | 0 | 66.185.84.78 |
| 1 | 1 | 24 | 0 | 66.185.84.79 |
| 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 66.185.84.81 |
| 48 | 47 | 1774 | 7 | 66.185.84.199 |
| 32 | 32 | 783 | 2 | 66.185.84.200 |
| 14 | 14 | 509 | 1 | 66.185.84.204 |
| 22 | 22 | 495 | 1 | 66.185.84.208 |
Monday, March 24, 2008
studying at Waterloo (202 = 204 = 206 = 208 = 209)
An interesting sample of how oddly Rogers IP address can sometimes operate comes from a log of an instruction site from the University of Waterloo, here. As you can see, the log covers 24 hours, beginning a few minutes after midnight on 29 April, 2004. There are 1420 entries from 138 IPs; 268 of the log entries come from some of the Rogers IPs that we have been following: 263 hits from 66.185.84.202; two from 66.185.84.204; and one each from 66.185.84.206, 66.185.84.208, and 66.185.84.209.
As I said, almost all the posts are from x.x.x.202. But the five instances where there is a handoff to other Rogers IPs are interesting. Here they are, extracted with their immediate context, and excluding all non-Rogers IPs:
Hat-tip, Nbob in BCL's comments.
As I said, almost all the posts are from x.x.x.202. But the five instances where there is a handoff to other Rogers IPs are interesting. Here they are, extracted with their immediate context, and excluding all non-Rogers IPs:
| 1 | 66.185.84.202 | 04/29/04 11:12 | "POST /cgi-bin/iq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 8882 |
|---|---|---|---|
| 66.185.84.209 | 04/29/04 11:13 | "GET /cgi-bin/geniq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 11083 | |
| 66.185.84.202 | 04/29/04 11:16 | "POST /cgi-bin/iq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 9458 | |
| --------------------- | |||
| 2 | 66.185.84.202 | 04/29/04 16:01 | "POST /cgi-bin/iq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 9471 |
| 66.185.84.206 | 04/29/04 16:01 | "GET /cgi-bin/geniq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 11069 | |
| 66.185.84.202 | 04/29/04 16:01 | "POST /cgi-bin/iq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 9470 | |
| --------------------- | |||
| 3 | 66.185.84.202 | 04/29/04 17:18 | "POST /cgi-bin/iq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 9468 |
| 66.185.84.208 | 04/29/04 18:00 | "GET /cgi-bin/geniq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 11083 | |
| 66.185.84.202 | 04/29/04 18:02 | "GET /cgi-bin/geniq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 11076 | |
| --------------------- | |||
| 4 | 66.185.84.202 | 04/29/04 22:24 | "POST /cgi-bin/iq/biology/272b/quiz1.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 7349 |
| 66.185.84.204 | 04/29/04 22:25 | "GET /cgi-bin/geniq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 11069 | |
| 66.185.84.202 | 04/29/04 22:25 | "POST /cgi-bin/iq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 12661 | |
| --------------------- | |||
| 5 | 66.185.84.202 | 04/29/04 22:49 | "POST /cgi-bin/iq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 9463 |
| 66.185.84.204 | 04/29/04 22:51 | "GET /cgi-bin/geniq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 11076 | |
| 66.185.84.202 | 04/29/04 22:51 | "POST /cgi-bin/iq/biology/272b/final04.iq HTTP/1.1" 200 4035 | |
The series again illustrates the fluid nature of Rogers IPs. Potentially more interesting, however, is to compare this log with the description here, where we again see shifting IPs between "getting" and "posting".
Hat-tip, Nbob in BCL's comments.
Sunday, March 23, 2008
Thomas the Tank Engine IV: or how 206 = 208
We have already noted the edits made by a Rogers customer to the wikipedia articles related to Thomas the Tank Engine (see here, here, here). At about the same time, the same editor (one assumes) was responsible for a number of edits of the series' founder, Britt Allcroft. The first eight edits of the article's history can be seen here:| 19:10, 31 December 2003 | 66.185.84.208 (Talk) | |
| 21:42, 27 December 2003 | 66.185.84.208 (Talk) | |
| 21:31, 27 December 2003 | 66.185.84.208 (Talk) | |
| (diff) | 21:31, 11 November 2003 | 66.185.84.208 (Talk) |
| (diff) | 06:38, 11 November 2003 | Jimfbleak (Talk | contribs) m (it's-->its) |
| (diff) | 00:46, 11 November 2003 | 66.185.84.208 (Talk) |
| (diff) | 00:45, 11 November 2003 | Angela (Talk | contribs) m (fmt) |
| (diff) | 00:44, 11 November 2003 | 66.185.84.206 (Talk) |
manual of style. Within another minute, the original editor returns, but now as x.x.x.208, which he or she still had (or perhaps had again) when they returned to edit the article six weeks later.
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Ringo, Ringo, Ringo! (Or, 208 = 207 = 199)
We have been seeing that Rogers IPs could change unpredictably even while its customers were surfing. Consider the article of Ringo Starr. You can see part of its history from November 2003, here:
| (diff) | 14:22, 16 November 2003 | 66.185.84.199 |
| (diff) | 14:15, 16 November 2003 | 66.185.84.208 |
| (diff) | 14:14, 16 November 2003 | 66.185.84.207 |
| (diff) | 21:23, 14 November 2003 | 66.185.84.208 |
| (diff) | 21:22, 14 November 2003 | 66.185.84.208 |
| (diff) | 21:22, 14 November 2003 | 66.185.84.208 |
| (diff) | 21:22, 14 November 2003 | 66.185.84.208 |
| (diff) | 21:21, 14 November 2003 | 66.185.84.208 |
| (diff) | 21:17, 14 November 2003 | 66.185.84.208 |
(In the next few months, however, this editor returns, but seems only to have been allocated x.x.x.208: see here.)
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Wednesday, March 19, 2008
I don't, I don't, I don't: why same-sex marriage does not necessarily lead to legalized polygamy
Michael Coren has many virtues that I find admirable: he is intelligent, articulate, and--given his religious convictions--surprisingly independent in his thinking. Despite this he sometimes takes bizarre positions. Take, for example, his call to nuke Iran in 2006. One shakes one's head.
A few days ago, he again went a bit astray in a column that revisited same-sex marriage and argued that the decision will inevitably lead to the legalization of polygamy. Coren provided a convenient summary for his case:
As far as I know, however, polygamy is not, a requirement of any religion. Mormonism abandoned it long ago, and although conservative Islam allows men to take up to four wives, it does not require it and never has. (In fact, it is relatively rare even in those countries where it is legal, and Islam doesn't even encourage it: see here and here).
A few days ago, he again went a bit astray in a column that revisited same-sex marriage and argued that the decision will inevitably lead to the legalization of polygamy. Coren provided a convenient summary for his case:
And thus the inevitable. I predict that polygamy will be legal and accepted in this country within five years. Any Charter challenge in support of the custom would not only be backed by the revolutionary precedent of same-sex marriage redefinition but also by guaranteed freedom of religion clauses.Coren's position has a superficial logic to it: if the rules can change for one group, they can for another, and at first glance the polygamists have two avenues by which they might make their argument: freedom to marry and freedom of religion.
But constitutional law is not a vending machine into which a coin is inserted, thereby guaranteeing a tasty snack. Nor do judges overthrow existing law on a whim. Any future change will require a test-case and a legal argument.
Such was the case with the constitutional challenge that led to marriage equality. The principle at question was the equal protection of the law: that if the state issues marriage licenses, it is unconstitutional to disallow someone a marriage license because she is a lesbian, just as it would be to disallow it for a Chinese, an octogenarian, or a Catholic. Not everyone likes the argument or is persuaded by it -- but the court was convinced, parliament ultimately agreed, and the matter was legally settled, if not politically.
Such was the case with the constitutional challenge that led to marriage equality. The principle at question was the equal protection of the law: that if the state issues marriage licenses, it is unconstitutional to disallow someone a marriage license because she is a lesbian, just as it would be to disallow it for a Chinese, an octogenarian, or a Catholic. Not everyone likes the argument or is persuaded by it -- but the court was convinced, parliament ultimately agreed, and the matter was legally settled, if not politically.
How would this principle apply to polygamy? Essentially, the state limits the number of marriage licenses to one per customer. Do you want to marry someone else? First, your first marriage must be dissolved. At the moment the law is applied to all equally--Catholics, Muslims, Mormons, and atheists are all allowed only to have one spouse at a time. So, too, gays and lesbians. A polygamist can no more acquire a second wife under this principle than he could could have more than one SIN number. There is no avenue for a constitutional challenge here -- at least that I can see.
Coren supposes that the charter principle of freedom of religion might also be invoked. This is less than obvious, however. Freedom of religion prevents the state requiring someone to perform an action that their religion forbids, or forbidding someone from doing something that their religion requires.
Coren supposes that the charter principle of freedom of religion might also be invoked. This is less than obvious, however. Freedom of religion prevents the state requiring someone to perform an action that their religion forbids, or forbidding someone from doing something that their religion requires.
As far as I know, however, polygamy is not, a requirement of any religion. Mormonism abandoned it long ago, and although conservative Islam allows men to take up to four wives, it does not require it and never has. (In fact, it is relatively rare even in those countries where it is legal, and Islam doesn't even encourage it: see here and here).
Now, even a superficial consideration of our legal system and various religions' moral systems shows that they operate in different registers. There are many behaviours that religions forbid but the state allows (consumption of alcohol, blood transfusions, divorce); there are behaviours that the state forbids or regulates that religions are silent about (speed limits, the structure of legal trusts, the filing deadline of one's taxes).
In light of this, a successful constitutional challenge to legalize polygamy seems unlikely to me -- there is no obvious legal avenue for a challenge. So, unlike Coren, I doubt whether multiple "I do"s are in any of our futures.
Sunday, March 16, 2008
Vampire Chronicles (72 = 81?)
Wikipedia attracts The wikipedia article on Ann Rice's series, The Vampire Chronicles. Here are a few edits from its edit history:
- (diff) 20:28, 4 December 2004 66.185.84.81 (Talk) (→''Vittorio, the Vampire'')
(diff) 20:27, 4 December 2004 66.185.84.72 (Talk) (→''Blood and Gold'')
(diff) 20:26, 4 December 2004 66.185.84.81 (Talk) (→''Blood and Gold'')
If you click on the diffs, you can see that the edits are vandalism, with x.x.x.81 "STEPHEN S IS A BIG POO FACE YOU EATS POO", x.x.x.72 erasing it, and then x.x.x.81 re-inserting it.
Given the fluidity of the IPs, it seems x.x.x.72 is erasing his own handiwork.
The Inklings (or 78 = 81)
The article on theologian C.S. Lewis shows another interesting example of IP-shifting. Three edits were made to the external links section within a few minutes of one another. (For the edit history, see here)
| (diff) | 03:53, 21 November 2004 | 66.185.84.78 |
| (diff) | 03:51, 21 November 2004 | 66.185.84.81 |
| (diff) | 03:50, 21 November 2004 | 66.185.84.81 |
| (diff) | 03:50, 21 November 2004 | 66.185.84.81 |
Saturday, March 08, 2008
Fluidity of Rogers IPs in 2003/4 (Summary thread)
Note. More complete, more easily accessible version of this data can be seen in this later post.
- 66.185.84.68 (Nov. '04)
- 66.185.84.72 (Nov. '04, Dec. '04)
- 66.185.84.73 (July '03)
- 66.185.84.74 (Oct. '03)
- 66.185.84.75 (Dec. '04)
- 66.185.84.78 (July '03, Nov. '03, Jan. '04, Feb. '04, Aug. '04, Nov. '04)
- 66.185.84.79 (Feb. '04, Nov. '04)
- 66.185.84.80 (Oct. '03, Nov. '03, Jan. '04, Aug. '04, Oct. '04)
- 66.185.84.81 (Oct. '04, Nov. '04, Nov. '04)
- 66.185.84.196 (Feb. '05)
- 66.185.84.197 (Dec. '03, Oct. '04, Feb. '05, Feb. '05, Feb. '05)
- 66.185.84.198 (Feb. '05, Feb. '05)
- 66.185.84.199 (Feb. '03, Oct. '04, Feb. '05, Feb. '05, Feb. '05)
- 66.185.84.200 (Sept. '03, Nov. '03, Feb. '05, Feb. '05)
- 66.185.84.201 (Feb. '05)
- 66.185.84.202 (Nov. '03, April '04, Oct. '04)
- 66.185.84.203 (July '03, Nov. '04, Feb. '05)
- 66.185.84.205 (Oct. '04, Feb. '05, Feb. '05)
- 66.185.84.206 (Nov. '03, Dec. '03, Jan. '04, April '04, Feb. '05, Feb. '05 )
- 66.185.84.207 (Feb. '03, Feb. '05)
- 66.185.84.208 (Feb. '03, July '03, Oct. '03, Nov. '03, Nov. '03, Jan. '04, April '04, Oct. '04, Nov. '04, Feb. '05)
- 66.185.84.209 (April '04, Feb. '05)
These reflect, of course, only the tiniest fraction of what was really happening. Every time anyone visits a webpage, the visit is logged somewhere, but very few of those logs are ever published; only a tiny fraction of internet users edit wikipedia, and only a fraction of them do so without signing in, thereby allowing us to see their IPs.
Still, the evidence that we do have makes it is fairly clear that having any one of these IPs--indeed, any Roger IP--at one moment doesn't guarantee that you have it at another. The reason, of course, is that Rogers was using these IPs as proxies for all their traffic from a specific region.
That Rogers used some of these IPs as proxies is something that we already knew. What we don't know is how large a number of Rogers subscribers was served by this pool of IPs. Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? Tens of thousands?
That Rogers used some of these IPs as proxies is something that we already knew. What we don't know is how large a number of Rogers subscribers was served by this pool of IPs. Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? Tens of thousands?
Updated and expanded; re-edited to make dates clearer
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